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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 22, 2010 6:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 68-69 guitars vs styles...

I simply cannot believe how much work Rob, Miss D and CLIFF got done here today before I even crawled outta bed.

So, the guitar tone question has always been an issue for me. I think that Jan thru Mar has this consistent, raging "early electric" aspect to it described far better above, and that sometime in late spring it changes...

The StSt of 6-14, though not a show to evaluate acoustics with, shows that Jerry, IMHO, has moved toward a diff sound, and a diff style (wonder if you agree, CLIFF?)...then, by Aug shows (Vault) we have a tone and style that simple, and much more smoothly morphs into what we hear nine months later in Live Dead. I'd venture to say that there are only minor refinements thru that fall 68 to summer 69 playing, both style, and it seems to me, with the same guitar or only minor variants that have similar sounds.

Do you know the precise sequence of guitars, CLIFF, or anyone, from late spring 68, thru summer 69?

Again, my take is that the "big" change is both in guitar, and his style, in late spr 68 when we have so little available to evaluate...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 22, 2010 7:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 68-69 guitars vs styles...

Yes, I do agree Guillaume!

The sound (and style) is completely different during January and February. I like to think of this brief but ultra jazzy time as the "Swing Period" in the Grateful Dead's history.

By March its largely gone...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 22, 2010 9:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 68-69 guitars vs styles...

Thanks Rob, Miss D & CLIFF; I have scanned those "guitar sequence sites" and always get a little confused for the exact months in question, but seems the back to back clarification has been part of my confusion.

What always struck me is that Jerry seemed relatively consistent in latter yrs (using one for extended periods) whereas depending on which "guitar history of Jerry" site you scan, it seems there were a number of different ones from 65 thru 71...and sometimes this "flip-flopping". Not that it's a sign of anything whatsoever, but working with small time bands in the Bay Area, I was always struck by how lead guitar players, even those with money to buy multiple guitars, always had a fav that they used at every big gig, so we got to know them by that consistency ("so and so ALWAYS plays that black strat!" or what have you...).

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Jan 23, 2010 3:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 68-69 guitars vs styles...

just a random note on Gibson pickups - as far as i know, Gibson phased out the P-90 single coil p/u's at some point, replacing them with considerably higher gain dual coil humbuckers on pretty much all of their guitars...but those P-90's definitely had something that the humbuckers didn't have, hard to describe, more clarity if i remember (been a good long while since trying them...)

edit: can't tell from the photo, "switches to another black Gibson" whether or not those are p-90's? seems to me that 10/12/68 has a real phat sound, though that could be attributed to the suped up Fender Twins (the SG in the 69 photo definitely has dual coil humbuckers)

This post was modified by midnight sun on 2010-01-23 11:12:58

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Jan 22, 2010 10:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 68-69 guitars vs styles...

One last thing - the only photo I've seen of the March 3 Haight Street show has Jerry playing the Gold-top.

I'm giving up now.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 22, 2010 7:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 68-69 guitars vs styles...

This may help, though I can't vouch for its absolute unimpeachable accuracy ...

http://www.dozin.com/jers/guitar/history.htm

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Jan 22, 2010 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 68-69 guitars vs styles...

1967-Guild and then in the summer he switched to a black 1957 Gibson Les Paul with P90's with covers removed and Bigsby tremolo

1968 - Gold-top Les Paul with P-90 single coil p/u's. 3 Twin Reverbs, 2 Fender 4x12 cabinets, JBL D120 speakers

1968 Summer- switches to another Black Gibson

So it's a Black LP > Gold-top > Black LP. ?

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Poster: wineland Date: Jan 22, 2010 10:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 68-69 guitars vs styles...

Whoops, should have read the whole thread before replying. Looks like Rob already got you the answers.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 22, 2010 7:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 68-69 guitars vs styles...

Back to Black indeed...

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Jan 22, 2010 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 68-69 guitars vs styles...

I think you may be right with the 'big' change.